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« on: November 24, 2012, 05:09:10 »
Lalalalalala I just wanted to stop flooding the "fan art" topic on my own so I'm throwing over here all of my thesis work. I would really appreciate every comment you can tell me! About what I can fix and all.  :P

So, up to now my written thesis title is "The paralelism in the germanic and mexican expression in visual art and music: a comparative analisis of expresionism and neomexicanism, mariachi and gothic music".  Yes, it's THAT long, but it has to explain my whole topic in one line.  ::)  So I think with that you've got the idea!

I just don't find any serious texts about gothic and alternative music, and nothing about "Sehnsucht" in english, because my german is not enough to read a whole book!

The outcome will be a videoart piece in which I will include the paintings, drawings, animation and progress registration video. (insert here my rant about the crappy, selfish critique I recieved at the painting class for commiting THE SIN of mixing painting with technology).

Series one of painting:
http://ame-f.deviantart.com/gallery/39613558#/d5l428y
http://ame-f.deviantart.com/gallery/39613558#/d5l42iv
http://ame-f.deviantart.com/gallery/39613558#/d5l42ox

Detail shots:
http://ame-f.deviantart.com/gallery/40607539

The videos are in a setting so you can only see them if you have the direct adress, to avoid this leaking out of Lacriwelt ::)

The first tiny animation I ever do:


CRAPPY SKETCH of the first minute and a half of what I intend to do in the video art. Note the Harlekin drawing is not finished, and that I need a better camera so the colours don't get altered and build a dolly so there's not the ugly movement of my shaking hand:



Aaaaand about the copyright use, I really don't know what to do, so please tell me what you think is right! My moral principles and respect made me send a mail to HoS asking for the permission to use the audiotrack or wether I should pay something for the right to use it or move my irgendein Arsch somewhere else, but I haven't recieved any sort of reply. My thesis teacher told me I was exagerating and I should only give the proper credits at the end of the video. I would like very much to show this to Tilo and Anne someday without having my guts twitching because of thinking I used the audio with no permission  :P Goddamnit, no wonder why my last name is Morales, sounds like "moral" ethics.  ???

Oh and I'm still struggling to draw a decent Anne portrait that does not look like Tilo in a dress. I suck at drawing women, even if 95% of my figure drawing classes were with female models.
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2012, 02:48:31 »
The topic of your thesis sounds really interesting! and your drawings are so good, it will be great for sure ;D

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2012, 12:10:25 »
Looks cool what you thought yourself together there :) already saw the short piece on facebook I think.
Find it so impressive that you really have your own style, I'd say don't listen to critics towards evolution ... for everything someone needs to be the first ;) if you find you're true to yourself (this in the end counts for every art) then it's ok... recently I saw a documentary from an artist who was reviewing someone else's work. And one of the things he said was that it's not art to copy someone else, it's art to create something new, to be innovative. So in this case if they consider it a sin to use paint with technology I guess you're just too innovative for them ;) Of course art always builds further on what already exists either as admiration and a trial to develop the style even further, make it more perfect or as a resolute answer by distancing from a specific style... I guess you know what I mean there :)  when you think of the big streams such as gothic, baroque, romantics, they were all an answer to each other on the way things should be seen, how art should be defined (think of the difference between expressionism and impressionism think that's the most clear example of this distancing from one-another) The most famous artists right now are those who had it very difficult when they were alive and who received a lot of "boo" when they were giving expression to their thoughts. And I think it won't be else in future :)
So I wish you good luck with your thesis.

As for copyright I think it's nice of you that you think of that, a lot wouldn't even bother asking. I would personally also always ask before actually using it. Difficult... You do have to give them some time of course, cause I'm sure they receive a lot of mails and are occupied a lot first with the Video-production and with tour-stuff seeing they keep announcing new tourdates and god knows what else :D


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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2012, 21:03:27 »
 ;D thanks to both!

You are totally right, Kitty! The bad thing of being in a tradition-based school in which you are even taught how to paint fresco, is that sometimes technology scares the teachers. Fortunately, not all of them, so I'm switching teachers next semester. Like that shit the teacher's assistant told me: you cannot paint just out of what you like. EXCUSE ME, you silly, bitter young man???? Quoting Tilo, if you don't like what you do, then why do you make it!?

Yes, I know I should wait for a reply, it just scares me a bit to go on sketching a video without knowing what will happen  :P In any case, I'll ask for help of the two or three friends I have at the music school from my university to bring up some sort of audio in case I can't use Lacrimosa's. Which would also make my teachers and the people who will direct my professional exam flattered because of you know, "the cooperation between the schools of the university".

Either it's very wrong or extremely good that now that I have the last portrait at home and look at it everyday, the more and more I like it. Happy because I think I somewhat achieved what I wanted, but I have to be careful not to repeat the formula.

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 10:45:52 »
;D thanks to both!

You are totally right, Kitty! The bad thing of being in a tradition-based school in which you are even taught how to paint fresco, is that sometimes technology scares the teachers. Fortunately, not all of them, so I'm switching teachers next semester. Like that shit the teacher's assistant told me: you cannot paint just out of what you like. EXCUSE ME, you silly, bitter young man???? Quoting Tilo, if you don't like what you do, then why do you make it!?

Yeah, it's one of the reasons I didn't go to conservatory ... because I don't think that schools or teachers always have this open mind and realise that every single student must learn but at the same time also develop their own expressions or way of expressing. And Tradition is necessary, what would musicians be without Bach or Mozart and what would painters be without Rembrandt or Monet just saying ... I think THE source to learn is the old masters-source but as I also tried to express in my previous post, I think copying on its own isn't art you should do your own thing with what you learn and develop. It's like we saw in art-history that there was this sculpture who copied statues from old-greek art they were really duplica's with just details a bit different and then also the question rose "is this still art?" And by all means, that teacher's assistant has a strange knot in the brain... It's like a lot of people in daily life also say "you can't always do the things you like" ... but ... why not? We can at least try can't we?


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Yes, I know I should wait for a reply, it just scares me a bit to go on sketching a video without knowing what will happen  :P In any case, I'll ask for help of the two or three friends I have at the music school from my university to bring up some sort of audio in case I can't use Lacrimosa's. Which would also make my teachers and the people who will direct my professional exam flattered because of you know, "the cooperation between the schools of the university".

:) it would for sure flatter them hehehe :D and in a way it could be very interesting as well I think. How artist-in-education influences artist-in-education :)

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Either it's very wrong or extremely good that now that I have the last portrait at home and look at it everyday, the more and more I like it. Happy because I think I somewhat achieved what I wanted, but I have to be careful not to repeat the formula.

I think it would be a pity if you made something and feel disappointed afterwards so it's a good thing I think that you like it ;)

Good luck!
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 20:50:42 »
What an interesting topic you have! The title is long, yeah, but it's a normal thing with thesis - I saw titles much longer ;D
I'm curious about the end result, because the pieces that you showed are intriguing, and as I am not a painter they gave me a possibility to look at the process of creating your art (even such short video, but what matters is the feeling and impression, and I think I felt that magic of painting)... It would be exciting to see the animation video in your style ;)

As for the copyright notice, I think you just have to wait to get your answer from HoS... And anyway imho you did the right thing to ask, you've made your move and now it's their turn. Personally I think it is probably alright to use it, but I am not a specialist in copyright issues ;D



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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 21:04:48 »
that's a cool idea and i wish you good luck in making it real! cool materials by the way, i'm not tired to repeat i like your style )))
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2012, 09:16:53 »
Thanks for your words! This post made me realize I hadn't logged into the forum since November 25th  :o

An insignificant update: I reduced the subject to germanic art only, since making the comparison to mexican art extended the work three times!

The title is: Sehnsucht in german expressionism and contemporary darkwave music, the unseen sensibility of germanic art. Because I realized that what I'm trying to do with this investigation and with my work is to explain what on earth is Sehnsucht in my native language where we don't have such word. Which leads to something where I need your cooperation!
How would you define Sehnsucht, considering the word is untranslateable but the feeling is universal?

This means I'll make a comparison between german and austrian expressionism from 1905 to 1920 with the darkwave from the 90s and today.
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And I wanted to share with you this http://ame-f.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d5nnsrq that is a portrait of my friend Daniel, because of a small piece of poetry of his own about his father, who died when Daniel was a child. My translation is so bad, the original recorded with his voice always makes my eyes fill with tears. Perhaps because I know the story behind, but more because of how sensibly he wrote.

Instant, March 2012.
Every year I write something for you, I don't forget for a single second that you are not here.
I see you in the faces of my friends, that have nothing to do with you.
I make you sit with me to listen to my feats in an empty room.
From time to time I consult the watch that I took from you- it's useless, it doesn't work and I don't want to fix it so it shows the time where I'm still alive and you are not.
I like to keep it as a marker of the time of the memory.
There's the sound of a ghost hand and I remember:
I remember how time slipped behind your ear, whispering something to you, you made a movement meaning that you were in a hurry, that something would come too early and then it would be too late for everything else.
But you never said anything to me. You tried to hide that you looked at me.
You didn't stop playing with the footballs that hit stongly your chest- if I had known... I wouldn't have made you be the goalkeeper, I wouldn't have asked you to teach me to ride the bike and I would have sitted with you, in silence, to wait together for the pale dusk of your body, lying at the feet of the child that I was.

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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2012, 00:46:52 »
How would you define Sehnsucht, considering the word is untranslateable but the feeling is universal?

Sehnsucht... is a very deep word and hard to define, but for me it means something like miss old times, people, places, or something special and wish to revive those moments. Imagine what would happen if you could live in those moments again ... is a mix of feelings like some sad because you know that now nothing is the same, but happy because you can remember what happened and made you feel good :)
I think that could be my definition.

And I wanted to share with you this http://ame-f.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d5nnsrq that is a portrait of my friend Daniel, because of a small piece of poetry of his own about his father, who died when Daniel was a child. My translation is so bad, the original recorded with his voice always makes my eyes fill with tears. Perhaps because I know the story behind, but more because of how sensibly he wrote.

Instant, March 2012.
Every year I write something for you, I don't forget for a single second that you are not here.
I see you in the faces of my friends, that have nothing to do with you.
I make you sit with me to listen to my feats in an empty room.
From time to time I consult the watch that I took from you- it's useless, it doesn't work and I don't want to fix it so it shows the time where I'm still alive and you are not.
I like to keep it as a marker of the time of the memory.
There's the sound of a ghost hand and I remember:
I remember how time slipped behind your ear, whispering something to you, you made a movement meaning that you were in a hurry, that something would come too early and then it would be too late for everything else.
But you never said anything to me. You tried to hide that you looked at me.
You didn't stop playing with the footballs that hit stongly your chest- if I had known... I wouldn't have made you be the goalkeeper, I wouldn't have asked you to teach me to ride the bike and I would have sitted with you, in silence, to wait together for the pale dusk of your body, lying at the feet of the child that I was.


First: great drawing, as always!  ;D
Second: So sorry for your friend  :( I liked very much his poetry, but indeed is so sad

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2012, 20:13:15 »
these words are just...no comments! so beautiful and so longing, he just said it right it is felt there inside!  :'(
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2012, 16:06:27 »
Arlishan, this topic's soooo cool! I wonder why i only discovered till now...!

and for your friend, sad but if poetry can console him...
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2012, 19:56:13 »

How would you define Sehnsucht, considering the word is untranslateable but the feeling is universal?


This is a question to not just you, but others in forum... could I answer in Spanish? Talking about a concept just as 'Sehnsucht' is difficult even in emglish...

As for the drawings and paintings, I can't see everything right now, I only watched your video and I must say it's wonderfull!!! I love what you do! Tonight I'll visit your deviant, so I can see more in detail.

Ok, if somebody says that, at least for this question I may answer in spanish, I'll give my opinion on the 'Sehnsucht' word...
Al na taakor natúa, al tishkaj et hatikváh... Hashiveni veashuba el haaretz hatováh...

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2012, 09:37:57 »

Ok, if somebody says that, at least for this question I may answer in spanish, I'll give my opinion on the 'Sehnsucht' word...


Please do! As I speak spanish too it'd be a LOAD of help!

@Fannie: interesting! to look at the past with Sehnsucht! As for me, I look at the future with it. There is a pulse that makes me feel that as some sort of forwarded homesick for the places/situations where I will feel that I have found where I belong to. It's rather strange!

I link that to how the expressionist artists fled from their home countries, looking everywhere for peace of mind and heart and not finding it somewhere, they jumped across the globe, some returned to their homelands still yearning for what they were looking for!
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Thanks for your words about Daniel's portrait! His writting is powerful. If you would like to listen to some of his brief pieces of poetry, including the one about his father (the last one), here is it:



It's in spanish, but I'm certain that there is something in the tempo of his voice which transmits his feelings in a very strong way.

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In other "news" here is the last painting that will come up this year! I had to stop drawing Tilo for a while and I first thought of Schneider, from Rammstein, but then pulled myself to work with a face that is totally different from Tilo's, so I chose Till Lindemann after watching the "Mein Herz brennt" video. I've only had one session with it and this is how it is:

http://ame-f.deviantart.com/#/d5ofkvi

And this is a drawing I made between 1 am and 4 am, while my heart was overrun by memories. I picked a photo of this guy I loved to death and drew from it (his name means nothing to me now, even if he was "Unwanted" here in the forum! I've re-named him as "Syl", because I turned him into a character of the short-novel I'll never be able to write as good as I wish I could!), and I started to work furious about my memories, then I just felt longing and a heart-tearing sadness, then just distance and indiference, then a glowing hope because I started to talk to.... this man... that is making me believe I can love somebody again and much more, to be loved in return. This is a very personal piece! But I KNOW I can share anything in this forum, because it's our home somehow!  In other words, "Meine Hoffnung soll mich leiten durch die Tage ohne dich, und die Liebe soll mich tragen wenn die Schmerz die Hoffnung bricht".

http://ame-f.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d5omus0

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I should have named this topic "Arlishan believes he can paint" XD  My thesis is just an excuse to work and be so damn happy about doing what I love the most. (can it be changed? :B )
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