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Title: Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on October 23, 2013, 23:31:14
Hello guys, I believe that the desire for all fans of Lacrimosa is to have this tape. sometimes I usually look for, even though there are only 100 copies, one of which I believe belongs to Tilo, but maybe one day I have the luck to find it. keep trying ...  :P

I was looking for some information about the tape, and then I saw this video on youtube, in which the account owner says that this part of the song "Seele in not", was recorded tape of own "Clamor" ... what do you think?

Lacrimosa Seele in Not Clamor Fragment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2id5shKr_M#)
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Asphodel on October 24, 2013, 12:29:46
it's pretty interesting!.. If this is a real Clamor-tape then I wish I could hear more than just a piece of the song... but how can one be sure this is really Clamor?..
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: godgott on October 24, 2013, 19:45:57
So interesting!
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Mozart on October 25, 2013, 01:33:04
I dont think a tape from 1990 would sound with a super quality like this fragment... But who knowsss!
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Mozart on October 25, 2013, 01:35:21
I just saw the guy is exchanging the whole song for 2010 WGT audio concert and I have it  ;D i guess I am writing him tomorrow and see if all this is real xD
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: lacrima_mosanium on October 27, 2013, 15:11:38
I think it might be authentic. I've got some demo tapes of other artists and my brother has ripped them for me with a special computer program and removed all the noises and leaping. So yeah, it is possible to increase the quality of a tape recording that much :)
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on October 27, 2013, 20:33:53
I do not know if it's true or not, I sent a message to the owner of the channel on youtube, I asked if it is true and even if he had the tape, if he says it is I want to see pictures.  :P
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on October 29, 2013, 01:14:46
Days ago, I found an old ad 2010.
Where a tape Clamor was sold for 450 EUR.
I would pay any amount ...  :'(
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Fernanda Alves on October 31, 2013, 17:48:22
Days ago, I found an old ad 2010.
Where a tape Clamor was sold for 450 EUR.
I would pay any amount ...  :'(

If I had the amount needed, I wouldn't think twice too.
Clamor tape is a relic.
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on November 08, 2013, 23:40:29
I only not bought it because it had been sold.
 gave me a sad, look that announcement, and know that if I had seen before had the chance to have a Clamor. ;/
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Stephanie Lamas on February 10, 2014, 02:35:41
Several years ago I heard the a digital copy of the real tape, but sadly I've lost it... Was nothing particular, I actually keep it with the Angst songs.
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on February 10, 2014, 02:43:57
Several years ago I heard the a digital copy of the real tape, but sadly I've lost it... Was nothing particular, I actually keep it with the Angst songs.

I believe that there is not much difference, except the audio quality, and that this version is shorter, with just over 8 minutes. Actually I would like to have the tape, just for my collection ... i believe it should be exciting to look at her, and know she was the beginning.
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Stephanie Lamas on February 17, 2014, 00:41:36
I believe that there is not much difference, except the audio quality, and that this version is shorter, with just over 8 minutes. Actually I would like to have the tape, just for my collection ... i believe it should be exciting to look at her, and know she was the beginning.

you're right. Actually I even totally forgot about it X_X But I understand the fan-collectors who want it  ;D
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on February 17, 2014, 01:18:38
you're right. Actually I even totally forgot about it X_X But I understand the fan-collectors who want it  ;D

and at the same time is an anguish, because I know I'll probably never have it ...  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Stephanie Lamas on February 17, 2014, 01:29:27
and at the same time is an anguish, because I know I'll probably never have it ...  :'( :'( :'( :'(


Oh, c'mon sweetie! Never lose hope :D
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on February 17, 2014, 01:35:53
yes, yes .. *_*  I find her one day, for a very high value.  :P
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Stephanie Lamas on February 17, 2014, 01:37:12
yes, yes .. *_*  I find her one day, for a very high value.  :P


you never know! make sure to check every single bush! LOL
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on February 17, 2014, 01:44:10

you never know! make sure to check every single bush! LOL

I'm always checking, I found a seller in 2010, for 450 euros. but had already been sold.
I would have to prostitute myself to buy it. '-'
I always arrive so close to her, and to lose.
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Yasmin Nurmi on March 20, 2014, 00:43:59
I still looking for Clamor, its very hard to find it.  :(
One day, my friend said that he found the tape Clamor on Mercado Livre (brazilian web shop) for 300,00 reais.
That's almost 100 euros. And then I discovered that he was lying to me  >:(
He never showed me the tape, doesn't have any photo and anybody saw Clamor with him ¬¬
And then I wonder: why to lie about it? ¬¬
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on March 20, 2014, 02:33:05
I still looking for Clamor, its very hard to find it.  :(
One day, my friend said that he found the tape Clamor on Mercado Livre (brazilian web shop) for 300,00 reais.
That's almost 100 euros. And then I discovered that he was lying to me  >:(
He never showed me the tape, doesn't have any photo and anybody saw Clamor with him ¬¬
And then I wonder: why to lie about it? ¬¬


Who has one, no doubt they would want to display.
have people who just want to brag, feel more fan for that reason.
but what one fan is your attitudes, not the rares itens ...  >:(
but I want one I need.
hold in my hands the beginning of Lacrimosa. *_________________*
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Yasmin Nurmi on March 20, 2014, 05:00:01
Who has one, no doubt they would want to display.
have people who just want to brag, feel more fan for that reason.
but what one fan is your attitudes, not the rares itens ...  >:(
but I want one I need.
hold in my hands the beginning of Lacrimosa. *_________________*

It would be wonderful to have the FIRST Lacrimosa work *---*
The problem is that we have to prostitute ourselves to buy it xD kkkkkk
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on March 20, 2014, 23:57:40
It would be wonderful to have the FIRST Lacrimosa work *---*
The problem is that we have to prostitute ourselves to buy it xD kkkkkk


Any sacrifice for Lacrimosa.  ::)  :P
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Yasmin Nurmi on March 21, 2014, 00:56:49
Any sacrifice for Lacrimosa.  ::)  :P

I could to do anything to get Clamour *------*
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: LuziusEvan on March 03, 2015, 08:08:59
Pues puedo afirmar que si es el DEMO original de Lacrimosa!!! si es parte del audio original de Lacrimosa Clamor
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Bobby on March 03, 2015, 11:03:34
I listen to the Youtube - Video of "Clamour" ...
my mind ( by the way my heart) says:

yes, its "seele in not" - mixed with an primitive Hall-Effect of an Youtube-Uploader who searched via google for pics of Clamour-Tape...

even if its an "orginal" - i think, this treasure should be in his case and not visible for everyone else...

and: i think, on "SCHATTENSPIEL" there is no deep-hall effect at the beginning of Seele in Not.
And I remember, Tilo says: On Schattenspiel, there is the orginal mix of the first.
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on March 14, 2015, 01:28:59
Listen it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VeynBLkYM4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VeynBLkYM4)
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Alex_lacrimosa on March 17, 2015, 23:08:50
I listen to the Youtube - Video of "Clamour" ...
my mind ( by the way my heart) says:

yes, its "seele in not" - mixed with an primitive Hall-Effect of an Youtube-Uploader who searched via google for pics of Clamour-Tape...

even if its an "orginal" - i think, this treasure should be in his case and not visible for everyone else...

and: i think, on "SCHATTENSPIEL" there is no deep-hall effect at the beginning of Seele in Not.
And I remember, Tilo says: On Schattenspiel, there is the orginal mix of the first.

Well, that fragment is original, you can listen the full songs in the link shared by Karina, the versions of Schattenspiel are the basic ideas for the audios of Clamor and Angst, maybe are the mother version, for this... are the "Urversion".
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on March 17, 2015, 23:15:51
Well, that fragment is original, you can listen the full songs in the link shared by Karina, the versions of Schattenspiel are the basic ideas for the audios of Clamor and Angst, maybe are the mother version, for this... are the "Urversion".

Thank you cousin  :P for clarifying
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Bobby on March 18, 2015, 18:52:48
let me say:
today, everyone can take pictures from everywhere... mix music with simple apps...

the point is: in my ears, this youtube-video isn´t a copy of the original tape.
if the uploader try to sale me this as an original - please - next time, he should choose a different effect for the voice-over, that comes from time to time...

hold this tape in his hands - i believe, its true...

and I repeat: I reed Lacrimosa Interviews very exactly in past - and, without I had a proof, right now - Tilo says, on schattenspiel there is no difference  to the versions on "clamor"

(exept the quality, i Ihink)

so - i don´t want to battle about arguments - And I don´t won´t to fight about -
i see no reason for...

but,  my opinion is - this "tape" on youtube - what´s lost his claim in the same moment when it was uploadet -
in my eyes - just tagged under "Clamor" - but there is no reason for me to believe blindly...



Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Alex_lacrimosa on March 19, 2015, 02:20:49
let me say:
today, everyone can take pictures from everywhere... mix music with simple apps...

the point is: in my ears, this youtube-video isn´t a copy of the original tape.
if the uploader try to sale me this as an original - please - next time, he should choose a different effect for the voice-over, that comes from time to time...

hold this tape in his hands - i believe, its true...

and I repeat: I reed Lacrimosa Interviews very exactly in past - and, without I had a proof, right now - Tilo says, on schattenspiel there is no difference  to the versions on "clamor"

(exept the quality, i Ihink)

so - i don´t want to battle about arguments - And I don´t won´t to fight about -
i see no reason for...

but,  my opinion is - this "tape" on youtube - what´s lost his claim in the same moment when it was uploadet -
in my eyes - just tagged under "Clamor" - but there is no reason for me to believe blindly...


I created the video and put the voiceover because some people will try sell the "digital audios"(i'm sure xD), let me say:
The duration of clamor are 8:50 (Seele in Not) and 9:51(Requiem), check the schattenspiel versions, are 5:54 (Seele in Not) and 6:54 (Requiem), they can't be the Clamor versions, is impossible, check the difference of minutes. As i said before, i think the versions of Schattenspiel are the mother version of the mix in Clamor version, and Tilo in an interview, he said: on Angst there is no difference to the versions on "clamor", only in the mix, check the Angst versions are more similar than the Schattenspiel versions.
Whatever, No one can or ought to be forced to believe they are the originals.

I digitize the cassette
(http://i.imgur.com/qwlFubp.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/N41HZkU.jpg)
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on March 19, 2015, 15:00:43
Yes, each believe that feel that is true, we should not enter into debate so only if a positive debate on the subject, which I find interesting.
 Well I believe it is the original version, I hope one day have my own tape to be able to listen to a tape deck, it would be exciting.  :)

 I think it did right on the voice-over, as this cassette is something unique and rare, and people would take advantage and want to sell it to fans, or worse, would try to make false versions, I've seen a fake version and they tried to sell me.  :o
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Bobby on March 19, 2015, 15:18:59
@ Alex_lacrimosa

Now, let me search for my white flag to rise it ;-)
congratulations to this tape - I think you know, how diamonds shine ;-)
even if I didn´t understand, why you put it on youtube...
hope you peek my critical - but in this time- in this world -with all options we had... i think - there are many ways, to speak about truth - and forgot about reality ...
beware this treasure for you!

all the best, bobby
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Alex_lacrimosa on March 19, 2015, 16:45:54
@ Alex_lacrimosa

Now, let me search for my white flag to rise it ;-)
congratulations to this tape - I think you know, how diamonds shine ;-)
even if I didn´t understand, why you put it on youtube...
hope you peek my critical - but in this time- in this world -with all options we had... i think - there are many ways, to speak about truth - and forgot about reality ...
beware this treasure for you!

all the best, bobby

My intention always was share the tape,
because is a treasure of Lacrimosa, and is very important for the fans,
but first I had to find a way to avoid ,
as Karina said before: people would take advantage and want to sell it to fans,
so.., i used the voiceover.
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: karinapinotti on March 19, 2015, 17:31:49
Alex, one doubts my ... the voice of the locution is yours?  :P :P
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Alex_lacrimosa on March 19, 2015, 19:38:10
Alex, one doubts my ... the voice of the locution is yours?  :P :P
hahaha no, in fact, i was going to ask help to my cousin xD but  then i found a friend in Chile,
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Sunny on March 19, 2015, 23:09:31
I just wanted to thank you, Alex.
I haven't doubted its originality even for a second.
For me it was... just like seeing a "bare" soul, the soul - oh, no, not lost - hidden in all this years. It's the very source of something immortal, of something staying with me for the greater part of my life. This tape really HAS BEEN some kind of revelation for me.
I do appreciate your putting this voice over the tape, 'cause I understand all the dangers of putting it in YouTube.
And I thank you again for giving us a chance to hear this miracle!  :)
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Alex_lacrimosa on March 20, 2015, 06:42:02
I just wanted to thank you, Alex.
I haven't doubted its originality even for a second.
For me it was... just like seeing a "bare" soul, the soul - oh, no, not lost - hidden in all this years. It's the very source of something immortal, of something staying with me for the greater part of my life. This tape really HAS BEEN some kind of revelation for me.
I do appreciate your putting this voice over the tape, 'cause I understand all the dangers of putting it in YouTube.
And I thank you again for giving us a chance to hear this miracle!  :)

You're welcome! i'm glad you appreciate it! and thank you for the beautiful words!
Title: Antw:Lacrimosa Clamor "fragment"
Post by: Dayerson on July 10, 2019, 17:22:52
@ Alex_lacrimosa

Now, let me search for my white flag to rise it ;-)
congratulations to this tape - I think you know, how diamonds shine ;-)
even if I didn´t understand, why you put it on youtube...
hope you peek my critical - but in this time- in this world -with all options we had... i think - there are many ways, to speak about truth - and forgot about reality ...
beware this treasure for you!

all the best, bobby

That one is not real, the version with voice over is fake. you can contact the tape owner, Andreas Corelli a collector from Colombia, see the link bellow

Regerds to all of you :)

https://www.facebook.com/DavidMartin1945/videos/630410880777849/ (https://www.facebook.com/DavidMartin1945/videos/630410880777849/)